Posted by: nquest2xl | August 9, 2008

Obama is not running for president of Black America

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Simple question: WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN??

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I remember reading an article sometime last year when an African American women commented about how different Obama is from Jesse Jackson.  The woman said what a number of people have:  that Obama is trying to be president of all the people not just Black people.  So, beyond the kind of amnesia involved — because Jesse Jackson most certainly did not run to be “president of Black America” — something else is amiss.

After all these White presidents, few if any that were questioned in terms of whether they would really be “president of all the people”, the idea of a Black person running for president and having the nerve to view Black people’s concerns as important as anybody else’s…  Well, that’s what seems to be behind all this “he’s not running for president of Black America.”  I’ve actually seen/heard Black people refer to our percentage in the U.S. population to justify the rationale that our concerns aren’t that important.

So, no matter how many White presidents and Congresses that have for years either completely ignored or given short shrift and lip service to our concerns… after all that, the reason for supporting a Black candidate with broad(er) appeal is what??

Somehow African-Americans are supposed to support Barack Obama, in this case, and not expect anything?   or anything beyond what any random White president would do? This simply doesn’t make sense and reflects on a kind of self-imposed second-class citizenship African-Americans sentence themselves.  Our issues and concerns are as important, if not more important given the depth and urgency of the problems, as anyone else’s.  To dare act like any other group and expect a candidate to take a strong stance and show strong support for issues important to you translate in to something wrong, how?

No one is confused about what Barack Obama is running for president for.  No one.  So the only thing the “Obama is not running for president of Black America” idea communicates is that African-Americans shouldn’t expect anything from Barack Obama than they have from any random White person who would-be or is president which all begs the question:  WHAT’S THE POINT??

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  1. The problem with a vast majority of Black Americans is they have let the media in collusion with Obamas handlers guide their thinking through the manipulation of Black anger,resentment of white domination,black racism and tribalism(nothing to do with Africa.but group identification and protectionism.Therfore they began their formation of thought about Obama with a logical fallacy(seeming logical but leading to totally false conclusions)that fallacy being “Is America Ready For A Black President”. This lead to 3 very illogical perceptions.1.Obama somehow had defied all of the entrenchened systems of power and launched hisself into a major contender.2 Voters decide who the president is(nevermind the fact that their simply given a chosen fielsd of elites backed by the highest systems of global military and financial power.3 All Obama has to do to get elected is appeal to the greatest majority of all races and not appear to be Black. Once this mindset was established through media collusion mant Blacks and really people of all races could not see what was happening before their eye. The only starting point for anyone should be this Why does the male dominated Caucasian Eurocentric Global power Structure want a Black candidate and posiible president. If you think the Power Structure ive described is a myth look at the faces of the Board members of the Fortune 500 countries.Look at the faces of the central bank memebers controlling the currency of each country.Of course youll see a person of color here and there but you get the picture.Obama has continuosly played the race card with the help of the media. In his big race speech he called his grand mother a typical white person. Can you imagine if the Clintons would have referred to a black person as a typical Black person.In this same speech he saild we need to open up a diologue about race. So Geraldine Ferraro tired of the media BS did just that.She made the simple statement that Obama wouldnt be were he was and getting the treatment that he was unless he was Black.Where was he about to win the primarys why? Because of a major media blitz of negativity for Hillary and positivity to the point of coverup and staged acts(JesseJackson Rev Wright Catholic Priest acting Like Cat Willams) what does he do he infers shes a racist and Black People eat it up.Bill Clinton says that the whole idea of Obama being opposed to the war all along (something hes equivocated on in over 100)interviews) and MIchelle Obama says BIll Clinton infered that the idea of a Blackman thinking he can be president is a fairytale. And black people eat it up. The media is controlled by the government if you dont believe me look up The Council Of Foreign Relations then look up its members. Im not Afro american I am Black,The difference is Afro America is something that doesnt exist and lends to the subconcious perception that we dont belong here we came from somewhere else.Blackness is a conciousness that had been in our minds but developed fully in the sixties.Blackness is the awareness that ther is a white male power structure(this would include eruropean Jewws and elitist of all colors)that are intent on subjugating people of color and woman of all colors to their will. Obama is the smoothest marketed must have accesory of the moment. Hes the new Bling. Forget about the Oprahs Russel simmons etc. They are only important as role models to find out there secrets of sucess but in reality if you take the summ total of all Black assets, property money etc its a minus.Idont need a black president I nedd Black owned fortune 500 companies,I need a Black Congressional Caucus and a coalition Of Black businessmen as strong as the Israel Lobby.Until we have real power no matter how black the presidents skin color is he will always be white. We need to start immulating asians they pool ther money and take over sections of a city one business at a time. the only real race is the human race and if we let them the elitist will continue to divide us and have us fighting against each other using gender,class religion,and color pretty much like Obama has

  2. Obama has continuosly played the race card with the help of the media.

    Sorry. You’re confused. You’re in the wrong place if you think that kind of bs is going to fly around here.

    In his big race speech he called his grand mother a typical white person. Can you imagine if the Clintons would have referred to a black person as a typical Black person.

    I don’t do hypotheticals or “imagines.” The fact that you did not articulate what you disagreed with besides the use of the words “typical white person” shows just how bankrupt your objection/observation is.

    I know for a fact that had the Clintons said “typical Black person” about whatever there would be something more to it than they just said the words. You must be confused or something.

    But, go ahead, explain what it is that you actually objected to when Obama mentioned how his grandmother “once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made [Obama] cringe.”

    And make sure you get your facts straight. The words “typical white person” was not used in Obama’s race speech to describe his grandmother. He used those words later when he was asked about what I just quoted from his race speech.

    MIchelle Obama says BIll Clinton infered that the idea of a Blackman thinking he can be president is a fairytale. And black people eat it up.

    You are confused. No bs is allowed here. Show me the quote where Michelle Obama said that are just admit that you’re a race-whipped liar.

    The media of which you speak is making and framing those messages for White people to “eat it up.”

    Regarding Ferraro… When and where did she say Senator Clinton was where she was because she was a White woman?

    Rev. Wright was a staged act but for some reason the media didn’t hold Senator Clinton or other candidates to the same standard. Right after Clinton played the Farrakhan card she turned around and neither rejected or denounced THE SUPPORT of Adelfa Callejo and the media let her off the hook. That wasn’t the only time she got a pass for being a hypocrite.

    So your narrative of negative media blitz against the Clintons is bs especially when she was crowned nomimee before the first primary started… especially when the media took their cues from the Clinton campaign changing the narrative week in and week out no matter how Clinton was mathematically out of it.

    Instead of Clinton has a problem with Black voters (you know, the demographic she had a majority lead in before her campaign went racial), there was this Clinton inspired narrative that Obama had a problem with White voters. The fact that he drew sizable amounts of White votes in states like Wisconsin and Virginia, let alone caucus states he won didn’t matter. It also didn’t matter that significant percentage of White voters “ate up” that “Is America Ready For A Black President?” question by expressing how they were not ready — that Obama’s race was a factor in them not considering voting for him.

    Somehow, Obama was supposed to do something about that. Somehow, White people’s racism was supposed to be a weakness of his as a candidate.

    So, you really must be confused if you think your alternate reality routine will ever hold sway here.

  3. Yea, the person in the first comment was really confused. Oh Boy. An obviously bitter Clinton supporter.

    Anyways, I agree with your post. I am really sick of hearing that line. People are repeating it without even thinking about what they are actually saying.

    It is actually so foolish, it is constantly contradicted.

    You said this,

    “I’ve actually seen/heard Black people refer to our percentage in the U.S. population to justify the rationale that our concerns aren’t that important.”

    You heard that one too.

    One radio host, you probably know him, Michael Baisden called blacks who looked to Obama to address their concerns, “stupid”! He does it all of the time and I have been meaning to call in because Baisden along with his listeners just adore the “He’s not running for president of Black America” line. Even Al Sharpton agreed with a listener who said that the other night on his radio show out here in New York.

    One so called progressive blogger even published questionable statistics and sounded more like Dinesh D’Souza than a so called progressive black blogger all so that he can justify the actions taking place this election season.

  4. I find it interesting that instead of perceiving my comments in light of my views of Blackness and Real Power ,these comments centered on differnt perceptions of the primaries,and allegd misquotes From ther it only went Adownhill.I was called a confused Hillary supporter and my ideas were referred to as BS.This is a classic example of the consciousness we need to overcome if we as Black people are ever going to aqure real power.This is the basis of all the conflict in the world,the idea of power against instead of power with.Im not going to get into a tit for tat debate on the particulars of this campaign.What difference does it make about Hillarys “coronation”in the press before Obama entered. All that changed after he enterd. Then you go on to prove my bigger point about letting the media direct are thoughts by using their favorite word “coronate” something that really makes no sense because its the media talking about themselves.Telling us what to think about what they said they did.anyway.Suffice it to say that both campaigns played the race card,dealt with bigotry,etc.Why no response to my larger question.Why is the White Power Structure giving us a Black candidate and possible president.It doesnt seem they have been in the giving mood lately.All candidates are just different sides of the same coin.Now if I follow recents events.Darfur,911,Katrina, a Black presidency doesnt look too good,especially since its just an act of symbolic tokenism.All power comes from within not without.When we view power as external ,without,than we go with out because weve given our power away. If barrack got elected that could precede events that could lead to riots,Marshall law.and the deaths and incarceration of many Blacks.This would be more in keeping with the system of power Ive observed.While we are pouring all of our energy (and money)into Obamas campaign,a brother was just tasered to death in Louisiana while he was unconscious,there trying to put a brother to death in Georgia on a technicality even though all the witnesses now say there testimony was coerced and on and on and on.Before you tell me about how virtous Obama is find out about how he let his constituets freeze with no heat are water with his buddy Retzo.This isnst form Obamanation or the Clintons this can be ascertained from court records.his own statements on the matter,and state of Illinois documents.Im not tring to put Obama down ,business is business and you dont get that high that quick without dirtying your hands a bit.All candidates are elites controlled and beholden to the central banks and arms dealers that control politics. I dont know how serious some people are about this thing “I”call blackness.Now they say they are AFRO AMERICNAN,They tell me how great Obama is but they no nothing of Marcus Garvey,Fredrick Douglas,H Rap Brown,(OR HIS POSSIBLE SET UP),Stokely Carmicheal,Ron Karenga,Huey Newton,etc.They no nothing of The FBI program COINTEL PRO,designed to infiltrate,neutralize,and assasinate memebers of Black Organizations. etc. Did you know the King family won a civil try implicated the us government and the military in Martin Luther Kings assasination look it up. The Media will tell us all about Obama but not that. The media is controlled by the COUNCIL OF FOREIGN RELATIONS. THIS IS A THINKTANK devised to disseminate positive information and craft policy.Look up who its members are, Youll be surprised. There has always been a plan to put Blacks in positions of wealth and power to insure the status of the elite while keeping the majority down. Read the last 20 are so lines of my last post.Read The Invisible Man. But please,no more attacks ,lets disagree but find areas of agreenent and growth otherwise it just more of the same,PEACE

  5. It’s real simple, Raul. Everything you said that I labeled as “bs”… simply show how it isn’t. It’s not hard.

    What difference does it make about Hillarys “coronation”in the press before Obama entered.

    More bs. First, there was no “before Obama entered.” Clinton was “coronated” presumptive nominee (I used the word “crowned”, not “coronated”) while Obama was actively seeking the nomination and you introduced the bs claiming there was some kind of media slant in Obama’s favor.

    Your bs was debunked on each point. That’s why you can’t dispute the facts about the media bias against Obama and in Clinton’s favor. I stipulated to those facts and showed how they the pro-Clinton bias was all campaign long both before the 1st primary and all the way through to the end via Obama’s supposed “problem” with “hard working Americans” aka as White Americans via Clinton and the media.

    So don’t you ever think I’m going to let you slide trying to perpetrate that bs on my blog. And don’t try play the “let’s find areas of agreement” game now.

    You took it upon yourself to say that fact-adverse bs on my blog and you must have been confused. You had to have me confused with someone else.

    Suffice it to say that both campaigns played the race card,dealt with bigotry,etc.

    No. You wanted to put all that on Obama and none of your original points where you claimed Obama played the race card have stood up to scrutiny. So, no. You get no consolation “let’s just say (i.e. make a bs, unsupported claim) that they both played the race card.”

    Again, you wanted to make the exclusive claim that Obama and his campaign did. YOU FUCKED UP and there are no second chance with me.

    I told you, you were confused.

    Why no response to my larger question.

    Paragraphs matter. Even you can’t find your “larger question” in that seamless mess of gibberish. Beyond that. My question is LARGER. After all, I posed a question that started all this. So, I turn your question right back around:

    Why no real and earnest response to the actual topic question?

    Note: This thread isn’t a “Whatever the hell you were thinking about Obama” thread.

    Now, you did give a convoluted response based on, you know… BULLSH*T.

    The problem with a vast majority of Black Americans is they have let the media in collusion with Obamas handlers guide their thinking through the manipulation of Black anger,resentment of white domination,black racism and tribalism(nothing to do with Africa.but group identification and protectionism.

    You simply won’t have any “peace” around here with me when you spout such unmitigated bs. You wanted to ATTACK the “vast majority of Black Americans” but you want to an agreement from me not to rip into the indefensible bs you post on my blog.

    Four words: NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.

    But go ahead and, since you can’t stay on the topic I presented here (again, this wasn’t a thread for you or anyone to freestyle on) at least stick to your own AND explain how it was “Obama’s handlers” manipulating “the vast majority of Black Americans” — apparently a group that’s easily manipulated and/or stupid, according to you.

    Explain how “Obama’s handlers” were doing the “manipulating” with the media’s collusion in light of your new found “peace” brokering position that “both campaigns” played the race card.

    So, yes… Tell me point by point the ways you recall the Clinton campaign played the race card. You know, you have said anything specific about that. And, of course, I expect you to just talk out your ass and make up sh*t about the Clinton campaign too. Who cares if it’s true? You didn’t when it came to Obama.

    So you really must be confused. I’ll take the blame for that. You must have thought all the DAMN YOU BARACK threads were “areas of agreement” between you and me.

    I’m sorry. It appears that when and were we may agree that it’s for decidedly different reasons especially when you come off in here ON SOME BS with a blind eye re: Campaign Clinton as you tried to project their race-baiting and race card playing onto Obama and his campaign.

    Again… NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.

    No bs allowed.

    Oh and what was that bs you said about Michelle Obama?? You know you must be confused if you’re going to come off in here ATTACKING that sister.

  6. Before you tell me about how virtous Obama is find out about how he let his constituets freeze with no heat are water with his buddy Retzo.

    lmao!!!

    You were confused and now you just battered, bruised and stupid.

    Nobody with a freakin’ brain would look at the entries I’ve posted here related to Obama and come away with the idea that I feel Obama is “virtuous” in the “without flaw/sin” type of way you’re trying to insinuate. And since you have a brain and, by all appearances, thought your anti-Obama-isms had fertile “areas of agreement” grounds here because of my very pointed criticisms of Obama (his campaign/philosophy)… you know better than that.

    You also know better (at least now) than to ever trying that playing up that “typical white person” bs. But I’ll take the blame for that too. I should have posted something that said I don’t tolerate bs. Weak ideas and bs irritate my ears and I won’t stand for it. I won’t have none of that here.

    So it’s my fault for not warning you about the kind of back pedaling you were going to do once you slipped up, got confused and thought your bs was going to get a pass here.

    You were wrong and it’s all my fault. I should have told you. lol

  7. I dont know how serious some people are about this thing “I”call blackness.Now they say they are AFRO AMERICNAN,They tell me how great Obama is but they no nothing of Marcus Garvey,Fredrick Douglas,H Rap Brown,(OR HIS POSSIBLE SET UP),Stokely Carmicheal,Ron Karenga,Huey Newton,etc.They no nothing of The FBI program COINTEL PRO,designed to infiltrate,neutralize,and assasinate memebers of Black Organizations. etc.

    Unless “THEY” are here… and “THEY” are here to defend themselves or explain whatever it is you want to say about “THEM”…. don’t bring “THEM” up because “THEY” are not a stand-in or approximation of ME.

    Unless you know what I know… don’t try to cast aspersions about what I know or any other Black person knows until you can both explain the relevance of your rambling… and why you’re trying to question what I know when you don’t know sh*t.

    Again, you came off in here ON SOME BS!!

    You didn’t have your facts straight. You’re using the curious term AFRO American then invoking the names of people like Karenga…

    You done fell, bumped your head and you’re just confused.

    Let me explain this to you: this is a blog. When I’m on my game and time permits, I post my thoughts (and hopefully those of others) on topics. The purpose of an inquest is to delve into the underlying facts the specific topic, the specific matter being considered.

    Hmmm…. Now I’ve made several, perhaps most of my topics, about Obama and his campaign. So, really, every occasion in which something is discussed where Obama/his campaign is implicated is not an occasion to talk about any and everything in which Obama is implicated.

    The question before you is this notion that Obama is not running for president of Black America and what that means. If you can’t contribute to that discussion then it’s best that you keep your comments to yourself or save them for a topic that deals with “which campaign played the race card” or a topic dealing with “why is the White power structure going to let Obama be president?”

    (((additional comments withheld)))

  8. This is my first time bloging and Im learning that theres a certain form to be respected. Ive been more or less freestyling,as yousay throwing out different ideas with no continuity of thoght that you might recognize leaving you open to attack at random. If you read anything about my concept of blackness you would know I dont believe in the term AFRO American.The media fixated on the lintons playing the race card but if you want a good example when Bill said voting for Obama was a roll of the dice that was to sublimanally conjoured up pictures of the slick black hustler. If you want to se Michelle Obama play the race card go to Mt DD Michelle Obama on “the fairy tale” and ABC News Michelle OObama Husband no faiy talwe .Sorry for the BS but Im only Black part of the time All of the time Im just I AM>

  9. No, Raul… drop the links or post exactly what Michelle Obama said. No bs. No innuendos. I see nothing at http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/14/112615/679 that shows where “MIchelle Obama says BIll Clinton infered that the idea of a Blackman thinking he can be president is a fairytale.”

    The MyDD entry linked above which you appear to be referencing got it wrong. Or part wrong. Everybody tries to act like Bill Clinton’s “fairy tale” comment ONLY referred to Obama’s position on the Iraq war when Bill made more or less personalized stabs at Obama that had nothing to do with Obama’s Iraq stance. But that’s the product of you and the author of the MyDD piece allowing the media to shape your view of the situation.

    So I wonder what “subliminal” pictures these comments from Bill Clinton regarding Obama conjure up:

    1) “It doesn’t matter that I started running for president less than a year after I got to the Senate from the Illinois state senate.”

    2) “I am a great speaker and a charismatic figure”

    3) So you can talk about Mark Penn all you want. What did you think about the Obama thing, calling Hillary the “Senator from Punjab?” Did you like that?
    (See this Political Punch entry on that issue.)

    4) Or what about the Obama handout that was covered up, the press never reported on, implying that I was a crook, scouring me, scathing criticism over my financial reports.

    5) the idea that one of these campaigns is positive and other is negative, when I know the reverse is true

    So Bill was in full rant mode and basically did say Obama’s candidacy was a “fairy tale” with the aid of the supposedly slanted in his favor media that supposedly let Obama get away with claiming he had superior judgment on the war without questioning him, particularly in debates WHEN HILLARY WAS RIGHT THERE AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN QUESTIONING OBAMA’S “JUDGMENT” STORY… So Bill was trying to play the victim and paint his wife as the victim. Now what kind of pictures does that conjure up. lol

    And even you don’t believe the #5 or you’re not willing to take the hit for trying to stick with claiming bs like that. You have said NOTHING to support your bogus claim that “Obama has continuously played the race card” and you’ve yet to stop stuttering with your still unsupported claim that Michelle Obama said “BIll Clinton infered that the idea of a Blackman thinking he can be president is a fairytale.”

    When and where, Raul? It’s not in the MyDD entry. And there’s nothing in the ABC News story that said she directed this remark to Bill Clinton:

    “I know about the sense of doubt and fear about what the future holds, that keeps us hoping and waiting for a turn that will never come,” she said. “There are a lot of doubters and naysayers out there talking about, ‘I’m not sure America is ready for a black president.'”

    Hmmm… And you can watch this video (from the 4:15 mark on) and you still won’t be able to squeeze out that bs claim of yours claiming Michelle Obama suggested that Bill Clinton (not the media… hmmm… or certain segments of the population but Bill Clinton) “inferred” that “a Blackman thinking he can be president is a fairytale.” She never mentioned Bill by name and only made a passing reference to the “fairy tale” thing which was microscopic in relation to the LARGER point she was making which was fully focused on the internal emotional dynamics within the Black community in terms of how Obama’s candidacy was being viewed.

    But maybe you think Michelle said Bill “inferred” that Barack was “too Black” and then “not Black enough.”

    See… You either let your own agenda or the media’s agenda get the best of you. As the video shows, the bulk, core and focus of Michelle Obama’s speech was to address the Black community’s “complicated emotions” including the fear and loving concern for Obama/his campaign and all the defense mechanisms involved in not to fully support Obama, emotionally or otherwise, in order to guard against the possibility of “disappointment and failure” which she attributed to the “bitter legacy of racism” that African-Americans had to overcome.

    Exactly how her message which was about the African-American community confronting and overcoming “our own self-doubt” in terms of what was possible, in general, for Black people and, in particular, Obama’s candidacy became something that was all about Bill… I don’t know and you don’t either. All you know is what the media and some misinformed bloggers wrote and wanted to highlight to keep the tabloid atmosphere going…

    Like I said… you’re confused.

  10. ALets see if I can clear this up a bit,The brilliant thing about words that are put together to convey an idea is that they can be perceived on multiple levels with each varying view point being valid. Thats why songwriters,poets speechwriter,etc,are so successful.Thats why TV pundits ,commentatorsand op ed writers are so prevalent.Your point of view is perfectly valid,however its one dimensional. Thats why you keep saying Im confuse.I dont have an agenda.However Im going to drop this issue,because you have a vested interst in being right.At least you would have to agree that things that the Obama camoaign have said can be perceived as alluding to race.(Idont like this media bs terms like race card anymore than I like afro american.I dont think blacks are simpleminde you are constanlly giving meanings to what I say to support your position of being right.All people are being subjected to a constant barrage of messages(advertising)telling them that something is wrong with them and selling them something that will make them feel better,Ameican culture has been dumbed down to a level of instant gratification and sense pleasur in our schools in our music television all of this, I talk to people all day long on the steet at work(I work at an airport so I talk to people from all over the country.Black people and the majority of the young people I know dont Know our history. Alot of people my age (im 49)dont know their history.They People that wer adults at the time dont know that the LAPD MOVED IN TO ASSASINATE BLACK PANTHERS on Central AVE and were held off for several hours until they had to let them out alive.They dont know that the FBI iinfiltrated the Panthers an Karengas US Organization and made it appear they were snitching on each other culminating inthe shootout at UCLA,When you dont know your history it can repeat itself.White peoples agenda for Blacks has always been divide and conquer and thats the perceptionI view Obamas candicy from.The president is just an extension of pharao and the divine rights of kings.All presidents are an illusionary messianic figure that promises to make every thing OK,Ive layed out very real possibilities to be concerned about if Obama is elected.This is what we should be teaching our people and our children. Im not concerned with being right,I try my best to be objective about this without giving into ego dynamics,To your initial question WHATS THE PINT? ONLY THIS,To give our kids a symbol of self esteem and change perception of what a black man is capable of.But look at the risk(OBAMA BEING A COMPLETE FAILURE BECAUSE OF EVENTS BEYOND HIS CONTROL)or worse al for an illusion of power .Give me real power anyday.

  11. Im going to drop this issue,because you have a vested interst in being right.

    No, you’re going to drop the issue because you’ve spouted bs and been shown how what you’ve spouted is just that: bs.

    At least you would have to agree that things that the Obama camoaign have said can be perceived as alluding to race.

    I don’t have to “agree” to anything, especially claims you make and still can’t substantiate.

    Idont like this media bs terms like race card anymore than I like afro american.

    Yet you took it upon yourself to use both… willingly and without provocation. That’s the definition of bs.

    I dont think blacks are simpleminde

    You’re telling on yourself and then trying to blame me for it. I didn’t give any “meanings” to what you said other than what you said and the logical extension that came from your statement.

    You said the “vast majority of Black Americans” were having “their thinking” guided and manipulated by the media and Obama’s handlers. I merely made note that, given your statement, you insist that African-Americans are “easily manipulated” or “stupid” because they supposedly allowed themselves to be manipulated. You obviously don’t have a high opinion of the “vast majority of Black Americans” and you obviously imply that the haven’t or possibly can’t think on their own. The media and Obama’s handlers, as you say, “guided” their thinking. Apparently those folks, the “vast majority of Black Americans” couldn’t “guide” their own thinking.

    You offer no proof of that. You just barf an unsupported assertion. Also, I NEVER USED THE TERM “SIMPLE-MINDED.” That’s like the second time you pulled something out your azz and tried to act like I said that.

    Ive layed out very real possibilities to be concerned about if Obama is elected.This is what we should be teaching our people and our children. Im not concerned with being right

    Stop the bs. You can’t say you’re “not concerned with being right” and dare think you’re being honest when you say that sh*t right after you played the “this is what WE should be teaching our people.” By definition, anyone included in the WE (in this case, among you and me) who is not “teaching our people” WHAT YOU’VE SAID is, how do you say, “wrong” not to be doing that or somehow doing “our people” a disservice if they don’t come up with a convoluted mess of bs fears, conspiracy theories and “real possibilities” of stuff you and they don’t know.

    And, really, what was the history cliche for? What history is going to be repeated by Barack Obama becoming president? How is that comparable to what happened to the individuals/organizations in the Black Power era?

    Seriously… I don’t give second chance. I don’t know what part of that you don’t understand. You made a bogus MEDIA GUIDED or your own issues guided (because it’s clear you got issues) agenda.

    And your last statement-thought is the epitome of just how confused you are. You can’t make up your mind whether Obama is a low down, dirty politician who has been chosen and risen so quickly because of the type of politician he is or if Obama is being set up for failure.

    You were the type of person Michelle Obama was talking to because of your type of conflicted, “complicated emotions.” That’s what the DAMN YOU BARACK is all about. It’s all about trying to exorcise those emotions.

    All presidents are an illusionary messianic figure that promises to make every thing OK

    And this has what to do with me?

    You’re saying all this stuff… all this bs to me. You’re talking about all this stuff people supposedly don’t know but you’re not talking to them… you’re talking to me as if you think I don’t know something. You’re talking to me about what “WE” should be doing like you’re on a mission to convince me to think and see things like you do.

    There’s just one problem with that: I could never be so convoluted and incoherent. I just don’t think that way and won’t.

    So I don’t know what your issue is but you better figure it out real quick. Because paragraphs matter and that counts double for making claims that you can support.

    Seeing none… You’re skating on thin ice with me. I told you I don’t tolerate bs. So, you can either figure out how to make a coherent point or I’ll make one for you.

  12. Ive put all the time Im going to put into blogging.Here my definition of GAME,Game consist of three different levels.There are pieces in the game,players in the game and masters of the game.Pieces in the game give little thought to evry level of the game and usually concentrate on one aspect of the game,Tharefore they can be easily manipulated on different levels.Pieces of the game think that other people are smarter thant them or they are smarter than other people depending on the circumstances. Players of the game have a good understanding of all levels of the game.They think they are smarter than most people.They also can be manioulated.Masters of the game look at all levels of the game and beyond.They think that everyone is smarter than them therefore they are constantly evaluating all data in terms of the game.Your style is entirely confrotational always seeking to demean my thought process while seeking to understand it.Not understanding it you try to reduce it to a form of base on dualistic dialectic when what Im attempting to convey is beyond those paramaters.Therfore you pick out the comments I make that can easily be reduced to black and white issues and proceed to bluster calling them BS and saying Im pullinh things out of my AZZ.Thes type of comments are resorted to because you cant factor in the depth of my comments within the framework you have designed.On another level for all I know you could be part of the CFR are some other think tank and these comments might be written by a series of analyst monitoring public oppinion. If not,then you might reduce that statement to more paranoid conspiracy theories.But thats how I think like an analyst looking at all possibilities then sharing them which creates new possibilities. I mean after all I connected with your site through CNN. iF in fact you are a serious journalist are political operative you are very intellegent and will be successful.It might be heloful to move away from the confrontational style and blustering but if not thats whatsells well today.In closing because of the polarizing dynamic of presenting ones views it might often seem that I am trying to get people to think like me,and sometimes when I let my ego take control I am. Howeber in reality Im just presenting my hoghts and sharing another way to look at things.The one thing I firmly believe is that I dont know anything and nothing can be truly known and expressed because material nature is composed of opposites that are used to define each other.All material knowledge is relative You know whi I am ,whoever you are are whatever your thoughts are about me continue to grow and dont limit yourself ro dualisic dialectic.This game is over

  13. Of course youre gonna use aall that to shoot me down and say it just more BS to excuse the fact that I dont know what Im talking about.But this is the way I think in terms of dynamics behind form instead of specifics.Specicically the fact of the matter is Obama has made statements such as “i Dont look like all those presidents etc that were perceived as alluding to race.You can make your case that it was a misperception but the reality of the statement is that it was perceived by some and easily construed to alluding to race.My question is why would Obama hand his advesary a statement that could logically turned against him.I can understand your committment to form and specifics because thats what debate and critique is about.Iwouldnt write to you about COINTEL PRO Illuminati ELITIST RULE etc, if I felt you didnt know what I was talking about .The mindset that I say BLACKS HAVE IS the mindset that most of the human race has including myself.That is being manipulated through body identification and sense pleasure so dont think Im just talking about Blacks. I just happen to view black as one aspect of who I am and thats by choice.Because I am a thinker and have so many thoghts about a subject on different levels some may see that as being confused,Thats their perception pertaining to their reality.I am totally secure in who I am .I am not either this that or the other but I am that which is capable of being all these different things. But this is not the place for philosophy,metsphysics etc ,because these things deal with dynamics behind form. The history lesson was relevent to dynamics.All the counterrevolutionary systems of the sixties are still in tact and enhanced beyond belief.I have this wierd quntum physics type idea that the only way to subvert these systems is through exposure and thought,Thought being the dynamic behind all we perceive and all thats perceived.That being said I will thank you for bringing my attention to why I need to elevate my consciousness beyond the different ideologies that drive this planet to a platform that is all inclusive.

  14. It might be heloful to move away from the confrontational style and blustering

    You fucked up and ruined any chances of me extending any such courtesy to you when you came here on that bs. Plain and simple.

    Specicically the fact of the matter is Obama has made statements such as “i Dont look like all those presidents etc that were perceived as alluding to race.

    mf say what???

    My question is why would Obama hand his advesary a statement that could logically turned against him.

    Your question ain’t about sh*t. It’s not related to anything you’ve said before. After I took you to task for your initial claims, you’ve been scrambling ever since never again to make any sense about anything at any time.

  15. EDITED POST (NQ’s comments below)

    [You are confused, Raul. You must be confused if you think I was playing when I said I don’t tolerate bs. You have repeatedly claimed Obama did this, Obama said that, Michelle Obama said this/that… yet, never have you had the integrity to quote either of them accurately, in context and in a way that actually supported your claim. With regard to whatever you call yourself referring to now regarding Obama saying he doesn’t look like other presidents… simply, STFU!! — i.e. follow the link and get a freakin’ clue.]

  16. After reading some of your other post I find we are in total agreement on most topics,However it seems you are going to adhere to CNN talking points about Obama playing the race card….

    [NQ says: NO BS ALLOWED!!!]

  17. Got interrupted anyway.The reason Im telling you that is…

    [NQ says: NO BS ALLOWED!!!]

  18. One last thing…

    [NQ says: NO BS ALLOWED!!!]

  19. Im not confused about Obama I NEVER SAID HE WAS LOWDOWN AND DIRTY,and in fact admire him…

    You know, that’s exactly what I thought — that you admire Obama — when you told me:

    “Before you tell me about how virtous Obama is find out about how he let his constituets freeze with no heat are water with his buddy Retzo.”


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